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Needs Further (AUS) 2007
Why For (AUS) 2004
4 September 2017
AFS no:
Carrick 7291 TAS, Australia

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Trainer: Adam Trinder
Location: Spreyton 7310 TAS View map »


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I was absolutely thrilled for Adam Trinder and his hardworking team when Mystic Journey won the Group 1 Australian Guineas at Flemington yesterday. Adam has done a wonderful job with the filly and congratulations for him being loyal to Anthony Darmanin who produced the ride of his life on the daughter of Needs Further.

Mystic Journey was reared at Armidale Stud in Tasmania which is owned by the Wishaw family. I have been associated with the Wishaw clan for two decades and managed a good filly for them named Vickers which Bill Mitchell trained. They are excellent breeders.

In 2017 I purchased two fillies from Armidale which race as Our Long Sali (by Needs Further) and Golden Script. These are both well performed fillies with Our Long Sali winning the 2018 Tasmanian Magic Millions 2YO Classic as well as being placed 2nd in the Tasmanian Oaks, Strutt Stakes, Tasmanian Guineas and 1000 Guineas.

Golden Script is a Melbourne Metropolitan winner and was placed 2nd in the rich VOBIS Sire.

Behind Mystic Journey, these are the two highest earning fillies sold through 2017 Tasmanian Magic Millions Sale.

I purchased another Needs Further filly at last week's Tasmanian Magic Millions Sale for Adam to train. I wonder what she may have cost if the sale was held this week? Timing is so important in all aspects of racing.

I haven't jumped on the Needs Further band waggon due to his recent success. I was fortunate to purchase Our Long Sali at the 2017 Tasmanian Magic Millions Sale. She is a very good filly and needs no introduction to our owners.

In 2016 which was Needs Further's first crop, I was the under bidder on a filly by the sire. I don't know where she finished up.

Last year I purchased the top priced Needs Further sold through the Tasmanian Magic Millions Sale and she will race under the name of Sali's Sister. She has displayed good ability on the track.

This year I went to the sale to purchase a Needs Further filly and after doing my homework came up with two fillies I liked. There were only nine in the sale. At the end of the day I was very pleased to get Lot 127 out of the good producing mare Why For. The other filly was the top priced Needs Further sold through the sale.

Needs Further is currently placed 4th on the Australian 3rd year sire list behind Pierro, All Too Hard and Your Song but is represented by just 54 runners compared with Pierro's 176 and All Too Hard's 169. Interestingly he has six stakes wins for the season, 2nd only to Pierro on the list with nine. If Mystic Journey wins the All Star Mile her sire will top the 3rd season list and the Australian 3YO List which would be remarkable.

It has taken over 120 years for a Tasmanian trained horse to again win a Group 1 race on the Mainland with Mystic Journey giving every indication she is absolutely top shelf. She may well be the best 3yo in Australia.

If you are interested in purchasing into this filly you should contact me quickly as I expect she will be very popular. Here is a video of the filly. She is a cracker

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Bay filly       Foaled 4th September 2017 

NEEDS FURTHER Encosta de LagoFairy King (USA)Northern Dancer
Shoal CreekStar Way (GB)
Crowned GloryDanehill (USA)Danzig
Significant MomentBletchingly
Xaar (GB)Zafonic (USA)Gone West
MonroeSir Ivor
DartingtonTertian (USA)Danzig
La TourellePoacher's Moon (Ire)

NEEDS FURTHER (AUS) (Bay 2007-Stud 2013). 3 wins from 1300m to 1600m, ATC Carbine Club S., Gr.3. Half-brother to SW Hallowed Crown (ATC Randwick Guineas, Gr.1). Sire of 70 rnrs, 31 wnrs, inc. SW Mystic Journey (VRC Australian Guineas, Gr.1), Mystical Pursuit, Pateena Arena, SP Deroche, Our Long Sali and of Triple Strip, Il Regalo, Jubilance, Need a Queen, Secret Gold, Enzian, Fiveandfurther, Furrrenzy, Submit Another, Voices, Appraise, etc.


1st dam

Why For, by Xaar (GB). 8 wins-1 at 2-from 1200m to 1800m, A$107,499, TRC Tattersall's Park Function Centre H., Tasmanian Thoroughbred Racing Hall of Fame H., George Brown H., If It's Not a Xerox It's Just a Copy H., TTC Ken Evans Memorial H., TA Bricknell H., 2d Tasmanian Oaks, L, TTC Ron Evans Memorial H., TRC Pier One Restaurant & Bar H., 3d TTC Carrick P.H. This is her sixth foal. Dam of 3 foals to race, 2 winners-

 Speed Force (g by Tough Speed (USA)) 9 wins from 1400m to 2600m, A$160,850, to 2018-19, TTC Sydeston Cup, Tasmanian St Leger H., Carrick P., Whatsonin.com.au H., Sharee Marshall H., Luxbet H., TRC Schweppes Derby Day H., PFD Food Services H., 2d Devonport Cup, TRC Mark Media H., TTC Mud Bar & Restaurant H., Advocate Newspaper H., Catering Supplies H., 3d TTC Cressy Newsagency H., Treasury Wines H., LAFM H., TRC Derby Raceday H.

 Sentimental Dream (g by Telesto (USA)) 6 wins to 1400m to 2018-19, TTC National Jockeys Association H., Southern Cross Austereo H., Good Friday Twilight Race H., Caitlin Forrest Memorial H., 2d TTC Deloraine Community Cup, 3d Tasmanian Farmer H.

 Aggie (f by Moshe) Placed at 3 in Aust.


2nd dam

DARTINGTON, by Tertian (USA). 5 wins from 1100m to 2100m, A$90,570, Tasmanian St Leger, L-twice, TTC McKillop Insurance Brokers H., Life Members H., 2d Tasmanian Oaks, L, TTC Malua Club S.H., TRC Hotel Grand Chancellor H., TTC W (Bill) Dunstone Memorial H., 3d TRC One Thousand Guineas, L, TTC Prospect Self Storage Newnham Cup H., Carlton Draught H. Half-sister to WEASEL WILL. Dam of 7 named foals, all raced, 5 winners, inc:-

Why For (f Xaar) 8 wins. See above.

 Dartel. Winner at 1200m, 2d TRC Kevin Sharkie H., 3d TTC Sharee Marshall P., Tattsbet Young Racegoers P.

 Lovely Darts. Winner at 1400m, 2d TRC Fuji Xerox Sales P., 3d TTC Denis Whishaw H.

 Drought. 6 wins from 1300m to 1700m to 2019 in Malaysia.

 He's Tough Enough. Winner at 1650m in 2017-18 in Aust.


3rd dam

LA TOURELLE, by Poacher's Moon (Ire). Winner at 1650m in Aust. Sister to PARDERE, half-sister to LORARDERE (dam of CHARDERE), Beau Reward. Dam of 11 named foals, all raced, 6 winners, inc:-

WEASEL WILL (g Weasel Clause) 9 wins from 1200m to 1600m, A$750,080, MVRC Waterford Crystal Mile H., Gr.2-twice, VRC Rowland Sodexho P., Moonee Valley Mile, VRC Scobie Breasley Medal H., MVRC Ellerslie H., VATC Gardenvale H., 2d VRC Emirates S., Gr.1, Blamey S., Gr.2, MVRC Waterford Crystal Mile H., Gr.2, VRC Scalzo Food Industries S., L, Rowland Sodexho P.H., 3d AJC Doncaster H., Gr.1, VATC IGA S., Gr.3-twice, VRC Paris Lane S., L, 4th MVRC John F Feehan S., Gr.2.

DARTINGTON (f Tertian) 5 wins. See above.

 Totness. 6 wins to 1400m, TTC Aluminates Chemical Industries H., City of Launceston H., Class 4 H. Producer.


4th dam

ARDERE, by Swallow Tail II (Fr). Winner at 1400m, 3d TRC Doradus H. Half-sister to Catch Fire,  Caught Alight (dam of FIRETAP). Dam of 7 foals, 5 to race, all winners, inc:-

LORARDERE (f Theus) 13 wins-1 at 2-from 800m to 1600m, Tasmanian S., L, TRC Great Easter Sprint H., TTC Members S., Milestone H., Enclosure Shorts H., CR Field H., 2d TRC Crown Lager S., L, 3d TRC Elwick S., Gr.3, Crown Lager S., L, 4th TTC Mowbray S., Gr.3. Dam of 2 winners-

CHARDERE (g Aliocha) 14 wins from 1100m to 1800m, A$287,185, TTC Newmarket H., L, Tasmanian S., L, Members H., Devonport Cup-twice, TTC Archers Manor Reception Centre H., 2d TTC Mowbray S., L-twice, Newmarket H., L, Tasmanian S., L-twice, 3d TTC Mowbray S., L, TRC Thomas Lyons S., L-twice.

PARDERE (f Poacher's Moon) 5 wins-3 at 2-from 800m to 1600m, TRC Fosters Classic, L, One Thousand Guineas, L, TTC Gold Sovereign S., L, TRC Orielton H., TTC TNT Seafast 2YO H., 2d TRC Brighton Jockey Club Cup.

Beau Reward (c Northern Reward) 4 wins-1 at 2-from 1400m to 2350m, TRC Marti Zucco Restaurant H., TTC Mini-Dice 2YO H., 2d TTC Tasmanian St Leger, L, Southern Cross Network H.